Comments on: Why Mormon Prophets? http://bishopbooyah.wordpress.com/2006/05/28/why-mormon-prophets/ Triple B's House Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:59:54 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: bishopbooyah http://bishopbooyah.wordpress.com/2006/05/28/why-mormon-prophets/#comment-384 bishopbooyah Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:08:34 +0000 http://bishopbooyah.wordpress.com/2006/05/28/why-mormon-prophets/#comment-384 First, the mormon prophet is usually selected and then all church officers are sustained during the general conferences. Which I find sort of odd - if they are appointed by God, why sustain them? Second, telling people about marriage is not prophecy. Give me one prophecy that Gordon has given since he's been in office. Or any prophecy given by any prophet after Brigham. Brigham prophecied quite a bit, but his words are pretty much rejected today by the modern lds church. Third, you missed the point of D&C124 which was a prophecy of Joseph that God gave them enough time to build the temple - the God of Joseph was wrong. He didn't see them getting kicked out of Nauvoo. First, the mormon prophet is usually selected and then all church officers are sustained during the general conferences. Which I find sort of odd – if they are appointed by God, why sustain them?

Second, telling people about marriage is not prophecy. Give me one prophecy that Gordon has given since he’s been in office. Or any prophecy given by any prophet after Brigham. Brigham prophecied quite a bit, but his words are pretty much rejected today by the modern lds church.

Third, you missed the point of D&C124 which was a prophecy of Joseph that God gave them enough time to build the temple – the God of Joseph was wrong. He didn’t see them getting kicked out of Nauvoo.

]]> By: motherofall http://bishopbooyah.wordpress.com/2006/05/28/why-mormon-prophets/#comment-382 motherofall Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:42:31 +0000 http://bishopbooyah.wordpress.com/2006/05/28/why-mormon-prophets/#comment-382 Our prophets are not voted in, by the way. And telling people that marriage is important isn't just good sense, it's exhortation. That Journal of Discourses comment about the Saints not getting to enjoy the temple is more a comment on how quickly they had to evacuate the city. Many marriages and proxy baptisms were solemnized in the Nauvoo temple before the trek west. See <a href="http://www.signaturebooks.com/Nauvoo.htm" rel="nofollow">Nauvoo Endowment Companies 1845-46</a>. You neglected to give Tim the standard response to Ephesians 4:11-13, which is that apostles and prophets were the foundation, and once the foundation was laid prophets and apostles were no longer needed. Obviously, not an interpretation I agree with. Also, discussion of prophesy won't be complete without referencing Acts 2:17 where Peter quotes Joel. Our prophets are not voted in, by the way. And telling people that marriage is important isn’t just good sense, it’s exhortation.

That Journal of Discourses comment about the Saints not getting to enjoy the temple is more a comment on how quickly they had to evacuate the city. Many marriages and proxy baptisms were solemnized in the Nauvoo temple before the trek west. See Nauvoo Endowment Companies 1845-46.

You neglected to give Tim the standard response to Ephesians 4:11-13, which is that apostles and prophets were the foundation, and once the foundation was laid prophets and apostles were no longer needed. Obviously, not an interpretation I agree with.

Also, discussion of prophesy won’t be complete without referencing Acts 2:17 where Peter quotes Joel.

]]> By: bishopbooyah http://bishopbooyah.wordpress.com/2006/05/28/why-mormon-prophets/#comment-371 bishopbooyah Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:51:58 +0000 http://bishopbooyah.wordpress.com/2006/05/28/why-mormon-prophets/#comment-371 The context of Hebrews 1 is speaking of the manner in which God spoke "in times past." This is not speaking of the function of prophet within the church, but the office of the Old Testament prophet (which is what the lds claims their president occupies). Prophecy in the New Testament church is an function (1 Cor 14) for edification and exhortation. It can also be used to convict an unbeliever - but it does not proclaim any new revelations about God. Those have all been fulfilled in the Son as Hebrews 1:1 says. The context of Hebrews 1 is speaking of the manner in which God spoke “in times past.” This is not speaking of the function of prophet within the church, but the office of the Old Testament prophet (which is what the lds claims their president occupies).

Prophecy in the New Testament church is an function (1 Cor 14) for edification and exhortation. It can also be used to convict an unbeliever – but it does not proclaim any new revelations about God. Those have all been fulfilled in the Son as Hebrews 1:1 says.

]]> By: Tim http://bishopbooyah.wordpress.com/2006/05/28/why-mormon-prophets/#comment-370 Tim Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:31:43 +0000 http://bishopbooyah.wordpress.com/2006/05/28/why-mormon-prophets/#comment-370 I agree with you, reguarding your conclusion that the "prophets" of the Mormons are false. I was attracted to your blog because I too was hard pressed to find any prophecies by the Mormon "prophets". Oddly enough, the missionaries I was visited by recently do not define "prophet" as "one who delivers prophecies." I let that one go by. However. I did want to point out to you that while Jesus was indeed a prophet, he was by no mean the last. Nor, I believe, was John. I would direct you to Ephesians 4:11-13, "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: These texts seem to indicate pretty clearly that God will continue to send prophets until Christ's return. Your thoughts? Thanks for the blog, Tim I agree with you, reguarding your conclusion that the “prophets” of the Mormons are false. I was attracted to your blog because I too was hard pressed to find any prophecies by the Mormon “prophets”. Oddly enough, the missionaries I was visited by recently do not define “prophet” as “one who delivers prophecies.” I let that one go by.

However. I did want to point out to you that while Jesus was indeed a prophet, he was by no mean the last. Nor, I believe, was John.

I would direct you to Ephesians 4:11-13, “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

These texts seem to indicate pretty clearly that God will continue to send prophets until Christ’s return.

Your thoughts?

Thanks for the blog,
Tim

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