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Why Mormon Prophets?

I got to meet with a couple of very nice Mormon missionaries the other night and they kept bringing up how they have a living prophet today.

So I asked a very logical question: Has Gordon Hinckley given any prophecies that I need to hear about? (Hinckley is their current prophet – their prophets are voted in)

They responded "Oh, yes!" and gave me a pamphlet on how important marriage is written by Hinckley. That's not really a prophecy, that's just good common sense.

What else you got? "Well, Hinckley prophesied that the Nauvoo Temple would be rebuilt and it was!" Okay, but city planners make this sort of prophecy all the time – they've got the money, they've got the men, they've got the equipment, they've got plans and schedules, where's the prophecy in that?

Now, the original prophecy about Nauvoo, that would count as a prophecy. In Doctrines and Covenants 124 (that's like a book of Joseph Smith sermons) we read:

29 For a baptismal font there is not upon the earth, that they, my saints, may be baptized for those who are dead—
30 For this ordinance belongeth to my house, and cannot be acceptable to me, only in the days of your poverty, wherein ye are not able to build a house unto me.
31 But I command you, all ye my saints, to build a house unto me; and I grant unto you a sufficient time to build a house unto me; and during this time your baptisms shall be acceptable unto me.
32 But behold, at the end of this appointment your baptisms for your dead shall not be acceptable unto me; and if you do not these things at the end of the appointment ye shall be rejected as a church, with your dead, saith the Lord your God.
33 For verily I say unto you, that after you have had sufficient time to build a house to me, wherein the ordinance of baptizing for the dead belongeth, and for which the same was instituted from before the foundation of the world, your baptisms for your dead cannot be acceptable unto me;
34 For therein are the keys of the holy priesthood ordained, that you may receive honor and glory.
35 And after this time, your baptisms for the dead, by those who are scattered abroad, are not acceptable unto me, saith the Lord.
36 For it is ordained that in Zion, and in her stakes, and in Jerusalem, those places which I have appointed for refuge, shall be the places for your baptisms for your dead.
37 And again, verily I say unto you, how shall your washings be acceptable unto me, except ye perform them in a house which you have built to my name?
38 For, for this cause I commanded Moses that he should build a tabernacle, that they should bear it with them in the wilderness, and to build a house in the land of promise, that those ordinances might be revealed which had been hid from before the world was.
39 Therefore, verily I say unto you, that your anointings, and your washings, and your baptisms for the dead, and your solemn assemblies, and your memorials for your sacrifices by the sons of Levi, and for your oracles in your most holy places wherein you receive conversations, and your statutes and judgments, for the beginning of the revelations and foundation of Zion, and for the glory, honor, and endowment of all her municipals, are ordained by the ordinance of my holy house, which my people are always commanded to build unto my holy name.

So in other words, Joseph prophesied that "if we don't get this thing built, and God has given us plenty of time to do it, then God is going to reject all our religious things like baptisms for the dead".

Well, did they get it built? Nope.

We as Latter-day Saints have been laboring for over forty years, and the revelations given us in the first were to establish the kingdom by gathering the Saints, building Temples, and organizing the people as the family of heaven here on the earth. We reared up a Temple in Kirtland, but we had no basement in it, nor a font, nor preparations to give endowments for the living or the dead. It was left by the Saints before it was completed, they going to Missouri. Joseph located the site for the Temple Block in Jackson County, Missouri, and pointed out the south-east corner of the Temple in the year 1831,—also laid the corner stone for a Temple in Far West, Caldwell County, Mo. These Temples were not built. We built one in Nauvoo. I could pick out several before me now that were there when it was built, and know just how much was finished and what was done. It is true we left brethren there with instructions to finish it, and they got it nearly completed before it was burned, but the Saints did not enjoy it.
(Journal of Discourses, 26 vols. [London: Latter-day Saints' Book Depot, 1854-1886], 18: 305.)

The building of the Temple of the Lord in the city of Nauvoo, is occupying the first place in the exertions and prayers of many of the Saints at the present time, knowing, as they do, that if this building is not completed speedily, "we shall be rejected as a Church with our dead;" for the Lord our God hath spoken it.(Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 vols., introduction and notes by B. H. Roberts [Salt Lake City: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1932-1951], 4: 472.)

Now that right there is what you call a prophecy, a false prophecy.

The fact is that these modern Mormon prophets, have not and will not give real prophecies because someone might actually test them.

But the Mormon missionaries got it wrong, yes they claim they have a living "prophet", but they're not the only church claim to have a living prophet: true Bible believing, Christ affirming Christians do too and His name is Jesus. Jesus is the true and living prophet.

In Deuteronomy 18:18 God promises to raise up a prophet like Moses. In John 6:14 and John 7:40 people start asking "Is this The Prophet" in relation to Jesus. Jesus is The Prophet!

Do we need other prophets like the Old Testament did? Nope.

In Hebrews 1:1 we read "God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son"

So God in the past spoke through the prophets, but today, in these last days, He's spoken to us through Jesus.

The writer of Hebrews goes on to write that Jesus lives forever, He can't die – so why would I want a human prophet that is going to die? Hinckley is getting old and pretty soon the LDS church is going to have to vote in a new prophet, but my Prophet, is my God lives forever and God in the Old Testament never accepted votes on who would be His prophet.

May 28, 2006 - Posted by bishopbooyah | Mormonism (LDS) | | 4 Comments

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  1. I agree with you, reguarding your conclusion that the “prophets” of the Mormons are false. I was attracted to your blog because I too was hard pressed to find any prophecies by the Mormon “prophets”. Oddly enough, the missionaries I was visited by recently do not define “prophet” as “one who delivers prophecies.” I let that one go by.

    However. I did want to point out to you that while Jesus was indeed a prophet, he was by no mean the last. Nor, I believe, was John.

    I would direct you to Ephesians 4:11-13, “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

    For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

    Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    These texts seem to indicate pretty clearly that God will continue to send prophets until Christ’s return.

    Your thoughts?

    Thanks for the blog,
    Tim

    Comment by Tim | September 30, 2006 | Reply

  2. The context of Hebrews 1 is speaking of the manner in which God spoke “in times past.” This is not speaking of the function of prophet within the church, but the office of the Old Testament prophet (which is what the lds claims their president occupies).

    Prophecy in the New Testament church is an function (1 Cor 14) for edification and exhortation. It can also be used to convict an unbeliever – but it does not proclaim any new revelations about God. Those have all been fulfilled in the Son as Hebrews 1:1 says.

    Comment by bishopbooyah | September 30, 2006 | Reply

  3. Our prophets are not voted in, by the way. And telling people that marriage is important isn’t just good sense, it’s exhortation.

    That Journal of Discourses comment about the Saints not getting to enjoy the temple is more a comment on how quickly they had to evacuate the city. Many marriages and proxy baptisms were solemnized in the Nauvoo temple before the trek west. See Nauvoo Endowment Companies 1845-46.

    You neglected to give Tim the standard response to Ephesians 4:11-13, which is that apostles and prophets were the foundation, and once the foundation was laid prophets and apostles were no longer needed. Obviously, not an interpretation I agree with.

    Also, discussion of prophesy won’t be complete without referencing Acts 2:17 where Peter quotes Joel.

    Comment by motherofall | October 23, 2006 | Reply

  4. First, the mormon prophet is usually selected and then all church officers are sustained during the general conferences. Which I find sort of odd – if they are appointed by God, why sustain them?

    Second, telling people about marriage is not prophecy. Give me one prophecy that Gordon has given since he’s been in office. Or any prophecy given by any prophet after Brigham. Brigham prophecied quite a bit, but his words are pretty much rejected today by the modern lds church.

    Third, you missed the point of D&C124 which was a prophecy of Joseph that God gave them enough time to build the temple – the God of Joseph was wrong. He didn’t see them getting kicked out of Nauvoo.

    Comment by bishopbooyah | October 31, 2006 | Reply


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